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Will this truck tow my boat?

AlphaKap

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Location
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Boat Make
Yamaha
Year
2017
Boat Model
242X E-Series
Boat Length
24
Just in case I want to pull my 60' yacht...


Not a surprise that these electric vehicles have a lot of torque. This electric F150 was able to pull 1 million pounds. It probably can't do it very long. Will be interesting when these electric trucks actually hit the market.
 
I'm ready for them to get here honestly.

I could seriously use an EV on my daily commute, but can't have two vehicles in my stable currently. Since we live further from the water than an EV can get us there with a boat and back on a single charge, I'm strapped into an regular old pickup.

I'm really not a fan of giant screens in vehicles either, and the current trend towards just that means I'll probably keep my truck until I crash it, or it rots to nothing. Even the puny little 6.5in screen in it is too large for my liking.
 
The Tundra towing the space shuttle was more impressive to me.
 
I'm ready for them to get here honestly.

I could seriously use an EV on my daily commute, but can't have two vehicles in my stable currently. Since we live further from the water than an EV can get us there with a boat and back on a single charge, I'm strapped into an regular old pickup.

I'm really not a fan of giant screens in vehicles either, and the current trend towards just that means I'll probably keep my truck until I crash it, or it rots to nothing. Even the puny little 6.5in screen in it is too large for my liking.
I'm curious of what you don't like about the screens
 
I'm ready for them to get here honestly.

I could seriously use an EV on my daily commute, but can't have two vehicles in my stable currently. Since we live further from the water than an EV can get us there with a boat and back on a single charge, I'm strapped into an regular old pickup.

I'm really not a fan of giant screens in vehicles either, and the current trend towards just that means I'll probably keep my truck until I crash it, or it rots to nothing. Even the puny little 6.5in screen in it is too large for my liking.
My $0.02.....If you can get used to an iPhone (or whatever mobile devise you own), you can get used to this. Reacts the same to the touch. I love it. So easy to use and does not get in the way at all. With that said, don't like the fact that you slightly take your eyes off the road. They really need a head-up display. That would really help.
 
My $0.02.....If you can get used to an iPhone (or whatever mobile devise you own), you can get used to this. Reacts the same to the touch. I love it. So easy to use and does not get in the way at all. With that said, don't like the fact that you slightly take your eyes off the road. They really need a head-up display. That would really help.
My complaint is with the lack of muscle memory to the buttons (since they are typically soft keys that change based on what part of the program you're in), and the inherent brightness in the cabin at night. The muscle memory I can see getting over (I'm now 10yrs into smartphone ownership and can just now type as fast as I could on my old Blackberry), but the brightness is a big stumbling block for me.

@scot71
I have a touch of night blindness and tend to drive with my dash lights turned down either all the way, or most of the way. The attempt is to match the brightness of the screen/guages to the average brightness of the exterior of the vehicle. Out on country roads most screens simply don't dim enough for my liking. FCA/Ram/Dodge/Jeep have screens that get close, but are still a bit brighter than I like. I miss my '06 Audi that didn't have a screen, and all of the guages/buttons/interfaces were a nice soft red color. Combined with the adaptive Bi-Xenon headlights (that turned with the steering wheel) that car was an absolute pleasure to drive at night.

I'm completely skipping over the latest trend to make it look like you have an iPad glued to your dash. Seriously designers? That's the best you can do? Just stick it on there like it's some kind of mount I got from WalMart? The Model 3 interior is otherwise pretty dang good, then you look across the dash and see this eyesore of "I didn't even attempt to integrate this into the dash at any level". The new Ram pickup does a decent job of integrating the giant screen into the dash, but it's still not great. Just OK.
 
Range for electric-only towing will probably be an issue for a while. My current tow vehicle is a Volvo XC90 that has both electric and gas motors and in my mind it's pretty much ideal. I get instant low-end torque from the electric motors, then switch over to gas engine once I'm moving. Seems like trucks could benefit from that kind of setup as well, would be a lot like a big diesel but with fewer tailpipe emissions.
 
My complaint is with the lack of muscle memory to the buttons (since they are typically soft keys that change based on what part of the program you're in), and the inherent brightness in the cabin at night. The muscle memory I can see getting over (I'm now 10yrs into smartphone ownership and can just now type as fast as I could on my old Blackberry), but the brightness is a big stumbling block for me.
Mine is set to auto to adjust to any light condition. You can also change the brightness to whatever lever you prefer.

I believe they put the "iPad" where they did to not fully take your eye off the road. Must have been a complaint in the "S". I like the simplicity of the dash. There is nothing there accept one long vent. Pretty slick IMO. They're breaking the mold with these cars and setting new standards so much so they are the ones to beat. That's incredible. I glad I'm around to see it.

Keep in mind "Change does not come from a "YES" man." It's in my sig.
 
Mine is set to auto to adjust to any light condition. You can also change the brightness to whatever lever you prefer.

I believe they put the "iPad" where they did to not fully take your eye off the road. Must have been a complaint in the "S". I like the simplicity of the dash. There is nothing there accept one long vent. Pretty slick IMO. They're breaking the mold with these cars and setting new standards so much so they are the ones to beat. That's incredible. I glad I'm around to see it.

Keep in mind "Change does not come from a "YES" man." It's in my sig.
Kinda missed the point.

Typically (and including the Model 3), even the lowest brightness is brighter than it should be at night, at least for me anyway. And it's not just some numbers in a dial, it's an entire screen of brightness.

The dash is amazing in the model, until you get to that giant iPad glued to the center of it. The vents are exceptionally efficient, well thought out, and executed nicely. Then there's that big screen. Couldn't have made it a little smaller, and contoured it into the dash? "Nope, just stick it on there, we'll call it a breakthrough design and everyone will love it"

Just because something is new doesn't mean it's better. Personally the dash in the Model 3 (as well as many Audis, Mercedes) looks like one person had an idea, and the 15 that were supposed to go "NO this looks like hammered dog crap" said "yes" instead.
 
Kinda missed the point.

Typically (and including the Model 3), even the lowest brightness is brighter than it should be at night, at least for me anyway. And it's not just some numbers in a dial, it's an entire screen of brightness.

The dash is amazing in the model, until you get to that giant iPad glued to the center of it. The vents are exceptionally efficient, well thought out, and executed nicely. Then there's that big screen. Couldn't have made it a little smaller, and contoured it into the dash? "Nope, just stick it on there, we'll call it a breakthrough design and everyone will love it"

Just because something is new doesn't mean it's better. Personally the dash in the Model 3 (as well as many Audis, Mercedes) looks like one person had an idea, and the 15 that were supposed to go "NO this looks like hammered dog crap" said "yes" instead.
Have you experienced night mode (dark screen)? There is no white on the screen. It is dark and even that's adjustable. I understand we're all different (thank God) and like different things. Helps to add variety in society. Thrilled to be having this conversation. :winkingthumbsup"
 
Mine is set to auto to adjust to any light condition. You can also change the brightness to whatever lever you prefer.

I believe they put the "iPad" where they did to not fully take your eye off the road. Must have been a complaint in the "S". I like the simplicity of the dash. There is nothing there accept one long vent. Pretty slick IMO. They're breaking the mold with these cars and setting new standards so much so they are the ones to beat. That's incredible. I glad I'm around to see it.
Wasn't due to any complaints about the S, it was a cost saving measure. The S has two screens, the large portrait touchscreen and another display screen behind the steering wheel. Tesla wanted to eliminate the cost of that second display so they had to move the remaining one close enough to display your speed in your peripheral vision.

I like the way the S displays are integrated into the dash, I think the 3 one is ugly and agree it looks like they just glued it in there after they built the car.

I run my S display at "0%" brightness and it's pretty good. The display switches into "night mode" where all the backgrounds are black which helps too.

The problem w/ soft buttons is not that they are soft, it's that the company likes to move them around. I could do anything I needed to do while driving without looking until they revamped the whole UI in v9. Now it's been over a year and I still have to glance down to look for things. Physical buttons don't move.
 
Have you experienced night mode (dark screen)? There is no white on the screen. It is dark and even that's adjustable. I understand we're all different (thank God) and like different things. Helps to add variety in society.
I have not. Neighbor down the street has a Model 3 (his boy and mine are about the same age so we chat often), and he was showing me around the car. Garage was dimly lit, and it was around dusk when I saw it. I use "night mode" on a number of my cellphone apps, so I get the premise. It's better, usually, but still light enough to be distracting.

For reference I have every window on my truck tinted with 5%, except the windshield. The windshield has a complete covering of 70% (somewhat light), and a dark strip along the top at 5% OVER the 70%. The glare at night is still too much for me at times. I'm most certain that I'm the exception here and not the rule. For most, the brightness is a non-issue. I'm picky and have vision issues.

The design issue though. I suppose it's just personal preference.

This dash just looks terrible with that screen on it. Nice, sleek, elegant even.......and then there's the iPad just tacked on there like an afterthought.
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This still looks like an afterthought to have that giant screen in there, but at least there was a good solid attempt to blend it in with the rest of the styling of the dash. The whole thing is a little busy for me, but it's not terrible. It fits with the rest of the design language going on here, and looks like it was supposed to be there.
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I will give both interiors serious Kudo's for not putting a freaking console shifter in there. Unless there is a 3rd pedal that operates a clutch a shifter shouldn't be on the console!

Thrilled to be having this conversation. :winkingthumbsup"
I agree. Hope I'm not coming off as too much of an A-Hole. I tend to do that through text for some reason. Really not the intent here.

In regards to the usefulness of a truck as an EV. I think for most "commuter" style users that don't venture far from home it will serve them just fine. For those of us that use our trucks heavily, out in the field, EV's have a tough row to hoe. Infrastructure and range under load are the big hurdles to overcome. Aerodynamics is NOT your friend for efficiency, and most everything that you use a truck for is terribly NOT aero shaped (boats, open trailers, cargo in the bed, etc).

I can see a use case for a LOT of local construction work though. Get a good toolbox bed on there, and give me a few hundred miles range, and I can get a LOT of service work done. I drove both a service van and an F350 for a few years doing Voice/Data Cabling installations. It was very common to drive say 60-100 miles with a truck load of "stuff", then work on site all day, leaving only for a random supply run, or lunch usually. This type of usage would work just fine for a electric only truck. Heavy construction, farming, and towing any distance will be the hardest to change over. Time is money, and time spent charging is double cash out of their pocket.
 
I agree. Hope I'm not coming off as too much of an A-Hole. I tend to do that through text for some reason. Really not the intent here.
No worries at all. Love having a good conversation. Thanks for sharing your opinion.
 
This dash just looks terrible with that screen on it. Nice, sleek, elegant even.......and then there's the iPad just tacked on there like an afterthought.
Agreed. The Model S/X is much nicer. The Model 3 is the "budget" model.

I can see a use case for a LOT of local construction work though. Get a good toolbox bed on there, and give me a few hundred miles range, and I can get a LOT of service work done. I drove both a service van and an F350 for a few years doing Voice/Data Cabling installations. It was very common to drive say 60-100 miles with a truck load of "stuff", then work on site all day, leaving only for a random supply run, or lunch usually. This type of usage would work just fine for a electric only truck. Heavy construction, farming, and towing any distance will be the hardest to change over. Time is money, and time spent charging is double cash out of their pocket.
This. With a 240V/30A outlet in the bed you also could run a small job site off of it as well without needing to haul generators around, worrying they'll get stolen, etc. It would serve the small contractor very well (the kind who would be using an F150-size truck).

I'm interested to see what Tesla comes up with. I'm afraid they'll go unibody since that's what they know and I don't think they'll be able to get the towing capacity into 242X territory.

I wonder if the Ford in the video is using Rivian's tech or if it's Ford's own R&D effort? The Rivian is just too ugly for me.
 
My complaint is with the lack of muscle memory to the buttons (since they are typically soft keys that change based on what part of the program you're in), and the inherent brightness in the cabin at night. The muscle memory I can see getting over (I'm now 10yrs into smartphone ownership and can just now type as fast as I could on my old Blackberry), but the brightness is a big stumbling block for me.

@scot71
I have a touch of night blindness and tend to drive with my dash lights turned down either all the way, or most of the way. The attempt is to match the brightness of the screen/guages to the average brightness of the exterior of the vehicle. Out on country roads most screens simply don't dim enough for my liking. FCA/Ram/Dodge/Jeep have screens that get close, but are still a bit brighter than I like. I miss my '06 Audi that didn't have a screen, and all of the guages/buttons/interfaces were a nice soft red color. Combined with the adaptive Bi-Xenon headlights (that turned with the steering wheel) that car was an absolute pleasure to drive at night.

I'm completely skipping over the latest trend to make it look like you have an iPad glued to your dash. Seriously designers? That's the best you can do? Just stick it on there like it's some kind of mount I got from WalMart? The Model 3 interior is otherwise pretty dang good, then you look across the dash and see this eyesore of "I didn't even attempt to integrate this into the dash at any level". The new Ram pickup does a decent job of integrating the giant screen into the dash, but it's still not great. Just OK.
I totally get what you mean about the brightness. I guess I've gotten used to the one in my Ram (8.4 Uconnect), but sometimes I do wish I could turn it down more.
 
On the Ford I have a button under the display that literally turns it off when you don’t need it. Not sure if the the other makers have that option but it could help at night.
 
Yea, sure digital screens or really anything is great.....until they lock up or don't function. Anyone who has used any digital mobile device knows they are not immune to lock ups, freezes, hard crashes, etc. I wanted to love the big dash screen in the Ram but they have issues with them and some buyers even tell you don't order the nice 12" screen for it locking up or not responding to your touch correctly. For a boat to have screens is one thing but for your everyday vehicle to solely depend on them....I'm just not onboard yet unless there was a physicals mechanical backup switch for using said device.
 
On the Ford I have a button under the display that literally turns it off when you don’t need it. Not sure if the the other makers have that option but it could help at night.
You can do that with the Ram too.
 
I will give both interiors serious Kudo's for not putting a freaking console shifter in there. Unless there is a 3rd pedal that operates a clutch a shifter shouldn't be on the console!

Haha hey, I love the console shifter in my F150. The steering column shifter looks so 1970.
 
3 on the tree
 
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