New twin turbo six coming to Stellantis

[2kwik4u]

Tractor Supply rents nice aluminum trailers as well, pretty cheap too.

I thought about buying a folding harbor freight one, my hoa would shit a brick if I bought a trailer and didn't hide it in my garage.... Which is already full of sports cars and stuff. I think I could stuff the folding HF one in there.

Didn't know Tractor Supply rented. Not one really close to me (15mi or so away). Still might give them a look next time I need one.

I have similar HOA crap. Here's a street view of the house. I think I can hide one under the back deck without HOA losing their mind. Deck is over 10ft off the ground on the low side, almost 18ft on the high side shown below.

 

[2kwik4u]

That was my Colorado. I used it to tow my boat home when I bought it (turns out the trailer had no brakes and I didn't know), I drove it into my backyard to deposit mulch and dirt, tons of decking, appliances, mattresses... And it was a lowered 2wd sport suspension v8 truck, lol. I did more truck stuff with that Han I did with my f150, hell I did more truck stuff with that than many of my friends did with their big 1500 and 2500s, lol.

Bought it for 10 grand, put like 50 or 60k on it, sold it for 6500, with an engine tick. Probably my fault, I ran it a few times thinking the book called for 5 qts of oil, not 6, and I ran it hard.

Those look like Xtreme wheels.

Didn't know they made an Xtreme in the Colorado with the V8. Bet that was a hoot to drive around in!

 

[BlkGS]

Those look like Xtreme wheels.

Didn't know they made an Xtreme in the Colorado with the V8. Bet that was a hoot to drive around in!

It wasn't an Xtreme, they morphed the xtreme into the zq8 sport pack by the time the V8 was out. It was basically the same stuff, but not an Xtreme.

It was a fun little truck. It would blow the rear tires off in wet or cold. And out ran many an unsuspecting larger truck, smoked a few raptors (they hated it), and my buddy's silverado ss (admittedly he had bad tires). It was just super unsuspecting, I cut the muffler off to at least get some v8 sound, lol.

Honestly, if the truck was a little bigger, or we weren't planning on kids at the time, I'd have thrown an l92 and AWD drive train in it. It was just slightly too small for a family vehicle of any kind.

 

[BlkGS]

Didn't know Tractor Supply rented. Not one really close to me (15mi or so away). Still might give them a look next time I need one.

I have similar HOA crap. Here's a street view of the house. I think I can hide one under the back deck without HOA losing their mind. Deck is over 10ft off the ground on the low side, almost 18ft on the high side shown below.

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I would absolutely store it under the deck. If you can get to it easily enough, and it's out of sight, that's basically storage area.

No elevation here in FL, so no decks to hide it under, lol. We also have too many retired people, so there's always eyes out for violations

 

[suke]

I would absolutely store it under the deck. If you can get to it easily enough, and it's out of sight, that's basically storage area.

No elevation here in FL, so no decks to hide it under, lol. We also have too many retired people, so there's always eyes out for violations

Our HOA is militant too. I can't leave my boat in my driveway for longer than a day or 2 before I get a letter telling me to move it. Which is insane. To get to my house you have to go out of your way. It's in the back of the cul de sac ALLLLLLLLLL the way in the back of a 1500 house neighborhood (MASSIVE).

 

[BlkGS]

Our HOA is militant too. I can't leave my boat in my driveway for longer than a day or 2 before I get a letter telling me to move it. Which is insane. To get to my house you have to go out of your way. It's in the back of the cul de sac ALLLLLLLLLL the way in the back of a 1500 house neighborhood (MASSIVE).

A day or 2? That'd be nice, they send letters here if you leave it out overnight. People here have RVs and stuff too, they just keep getting letters. I don't think I'd buy in an HOA again, honestly.

 

[DogDadDave]

Toyota's new tundra with the twin turbo 3.5 is not as big of a hit as the 5.7v8 was. Unless new buyers are waiting for the hybrid version due out soon.
The real world fuel mileage savings in the non hybrid is only slightly higher than the 5.7

It's weird because sales for the Tundra this February were up 15% over last year, but I can't remember when the plant was idled due to supply issues last year. I know they're running very limited production right now, but inventory appears to be up a lot over last year. Personally, I'm waiting to check out the Hybrid Tundra.

 

[Beachbummer]

I think we are past the Pinnacle of gas engine reliability. More turbo, direct injection, super high pressure pumps, auto shut off, are diminishing returns features, slightly less consumption, way more complexity and cost.

It will make the transition to electric less painful, gas engines will continue to get more brittle by design due to higher complexity anyway.


2008 Honda pilot was the Pinnacle of reliability and simplicity.

 

[BlkGS]

I think we are past the Pinnacle of gas engine reliability. More turbo, direct injection, super high pressure pumps, auto shut off, are diminishing returns features, slightly less consumption, way more complexity and cost.

It will make the transition to electric less painful, gas engines will continue to get more brittle by design due to higher complexity anyway.


2008 Honda pilot was the Pinnacle of reliability and simplicity.

I had an 04 saturn vue Redline in college (and after for several years) with that power train. It was overall good and solid, but required timing belts. I can't call a timing belt vehicle pinnacle.

Honestly, I don't see engines fail that much anymore, at least not stock. What I see fail is electronics, and that shit is expensive. Obviously there's exceptions to this (CVTs, German performance cars, subarus), but cars taken off the road nowdays are typically either wrecked in an accident (which in theory should go down with more driver aid systems), or have electronics failures. I see cars have bcms and pcms fail, and then dealers say "well the part is 5000 but it's discontinued and we have to program it to the cars Vin but we have to use our parts and there's none in stock in the country but I talked to one of our sales managers and he said he'd work with you to get you into a new car in your payment range"

That's why right to repair laws are so important. Software and electronics allow for non repairable situations that the automakers would LOVE. And the idiot bureaucrats at the EPA read an article in Huffingtoon post or some other propaganda outlet that right to repair would allow people turn their cars into global warming hotspots, so they're against it despite science, math, and logic agreeing that keeping vehicles on the road longer and not building as many new ones is far environmentally friendlier than trashing them and building new ones.

OK, soapbox rant over, lol.

 

[Beachbummer]

A timing belt replacement at 105,000 miles that keeps a car engine running for 500,000+ miles is not so bad, but perhaps timing chain at the cost of a little fuel with a much longer replacement interval is closer to gas engine pinnacle of reliability. Point taken!

 

[BlkGS]

A timing belt replacement at 105,000 miles that keeps a car engine running for 500,000+ miles is not so bad, but perhaps timing chain at the cost of a little fuel with a much longer replacement interval is closer to gas engine pinnacle of reliability. Point taken!

I see both sides. When I spent the grand to have the timing belt done I was bummed, but it had been trouble free up to that point. I was you ger then and didn't really see the value in spending a grand on something that old, but as a bit older and slightly wiser I get it. It also forces you to do some other upkeep like the water pump and whatnot.

I wish I had kept that car. I ended up trading it in on my F150 because "it did everything the saturn did but better so why would I ever drive it". Got virtually nothing for it and it was in great shape other than needed the o2 sensor replaced. I'd probably still be driving it if I hadn't traded it.

 

[Beachbummer]

It's OK, Insurance, registration, maintenance...if you don't need it, got to let it go to make room for new things, and you give someone else the chance to benefit from it.

 

[suke]

A day or 2? That'd be nice, they send letters here if you leave it out overnight. People here have RVs and stuff too, they just keep getting letters. I don't think I'd buy in an HOA again, honestly.

Our HOA used to be non existent. For the first 10 years I lived here it was managed by one group and never heard a peep. Now if you have a blade of grass in the cracks in your driveway you'll get a letter. It's annoying AF. It's hard to find houses here without an HOA. That and housing prices have gone absolutely bonkers, assuming your offer would even get accepted that is.

 

[BlkGS]

Our HOA used to be non existent. For the first 10 years I lived here it was managed by one group and never heard a peep. Now if you have a blade of grass in the cracks in your driveway you'll get a letter. It's annoying AF. It's hard to find houses here without an HOA. That and housing prices have gone absolutely bonkers, assuming your offer would even get accepted that is.

Same here. My house went up by like 200k since we bought it 2 years ago. Literally almost enough to go buy a decent house in rural NC for cash. And if we didn't have a mortgage, we could work jobs that didn't pay as well.

 

[Neutron]

Same here. My house went up by like 200k since we bought it 2 years ago. Literally almost enough to go buy a decent house in rural NC for cash. And if we didn't have a mortgage, we could work jobs that didn't pay as well.

Rural NC isnt cheap anymore, most houses have gone up 75% or more. Bought my house for 197k and the extra acre next to it for 20k in 2016. Now its all worth north 400k

 

[suke]

Same here. My house went up by like 200k since we bought it 2 years ago. Literally almost enough to go buy a decent house in rural NC for cash. And if we didn't have a mortgage, we could work jobs that didn't pay as well.

Rural NC isnt cheap anymore, most houses have gone up 75% or more. Bought my house for 197k and the extra acre next to it for 20k in 2016. Now its all worth north 400k

Yup, what he said. We looked into moving nearly an hour outside of the "city" and for a 2700 sq ft house we were looking at 600-650k. Buddy of mine that moved to the town I live in 2019 bought his house for 425k. Same model of his house just sold for more than 1 mill. NC is no longer cheap anymore. Central NC is getting expensive really fast. Part of why we decided to renovate. Can't afford to live here otherwise, now.

 

[BlkGS]

Yup, what he said. We looked into moving nearly an hour outside of the "city" and for a 2700 sq ft house we were looking at 600-650k. Buddy of mine that moved to the town I live in 2019 bought his house for 425k. Same model of his house just sold for more than 1 mill. NC is no longer cheap anymore. Central NC is getting expensive really fast. Part of why we decided to renovate. Can't afford to live here otherwise, now.

Western NC isn't as bad. We lived in hickory up until 2020, and could still buy a nice house there for 300k. Not a new or large home, but nice enough to enjoy the novelty of no mortgage.

Maybe we can time it right and sell before the crash. Probably not and there won't be a crash and we'll just have to be homeless, lol.

 

[suke]

Western NC isn't as bad. We lived in hickory up until 2020, and could still buy a nice house there for 300k. Not a new or large home, but nice enough to enjoy the novelty of no mortgage.

Maybe we can time it right and sell before the crash. Probably not and there won't be a crash and we'll just have to be homeless, lol.

That's very true it isn't nearly as bad. However, it's creeping up too just not nearly as bad as some of the areas within an hour or so of any larger city. It's still moving on up. My brother does commercial lending in and around Statesville, so Hickory is part of his lending area, and builders are booming there too. Asheville has jumped the shark too.

 

[BlkGS]

Jeep unveiled the wagoneer L with this engine today. I have to say, the longer version looks better than the short one to me. Usually, that's the opposite for me.

2023 Jeep Wagoneer L Models Debut With Escalade ESV-Beating Cargo Space

2023 Jeep Wagoneer L and Grand Wagoneer L debut to expand the range with even larger offerings. There's also the Wagoneer Carbide edition with dark accents.

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Still not sold on this being turbo 6 vs v8, our Ecoboost has been fine for the 2 weeks we've had it, and it does pretty good on gas around town (it stays out of boost a lot - confirming my theory that these would be fine with a small modern NA v6). It does 21 highway, which is not amazing, but good for a vehicle of this size I guess.

It'll be interesting to see how these fare in mpg testing. It's also odd to me that the oems seem to be focusing on city mpg more than anything with these, with Toyota going hybrid, etc. For us, and I'd assume most other families, the highway mpg is more important, because we use the big vehicle for long distance trips 100% of the time, vs using smaller ones for around town stuff sometimes. Not that it's any more efficient to take my tbss, lol.

 

[Taylorman]

I recently bought a ‘21 Ram HEMI with the 3.92. Actually got a good deal on it with only 3,600 miles and absolutely love it. Fuel mileage is not good but knew that going in. I would look at a turbo 6 for that reason but I do like everything else about the HEMI outside of fuel economy. The last time i compared a 6 to an 8 was in a Jeep Commander and the weight of the 8 gave it more solid feel and made it better to drive IMO.

We also have a ‘22 Expy on order with the EB 6 and 3.73 gearing that may arrive at the dealer as early as next week. I’ll go drive it but we’re strongly leaning towards passing on it and waiting until the market normalizes. Buying at MSRP due to shortages with rising interest rates and high gas prices feels like buying at or very near the peak of the market. Getting the truck gave us that flexibility but I am looking forward to being able to compare the HEMI to the EB in a near apples to apples comparison.